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Hunter Fitzpatrick resigns amid fears for the humanities.

The director of the Shit Science Institute on earnestness, extinction and professional opportunities.

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01

The earnest builders

Jon Hewitt

Hunter, thanks for joining us. An AI researcher has resigned, and you’ve asked to make a statement.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Yes. I understand it’s an exceptionally serious situation. Someone has left a job.

Jon Hewitt

Jacob Coxon has left Anthropic. His warning is rather bigger than the resignation.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

That’s what interests me, Jon. People die in a disaster and the editor needs a death toll before deciding how much space it deserves. An AI man hands in his notice and we’re immediately discussing the survival of the species. Extraordinary return on a resignation letter.

Jon Hewitt

If the people building the technology think it could kill everyone, that deserves attention.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Which people?

Jon Hewitt

Let’s take his wording: “The people building AI earnestly believe that it could kill us all by the end of the decade.”

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Right. Here’s how I read that. “The people building AI earnestly”—those people—“believe that it could kill us all.”

Jon Hewitt

The earnest builders.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Exactly. Not necessarily everyone building AI. The people doing it earnestly. Whoever they are.

Jon Hewitt

I initially read “earnestly believe”. The builders are unspecified; the belief is sincere.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

And there we are. You’ve got earnest believers. I’ve got earnest builders. Same sentence.

Jon Hewitt

So “earnestly” can reach backwards to “building” or forwards to “believe”.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Yes. In my reading, the subject is “the people building AI earnestly”. What do those people do? They believe. In yours, the subject is “the people building AI”, and what do they do? They earnestly believe.

Jon Hewitt

One word doing two possible jobs.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Very efficient. Perhaps it’s already replaced someone.

Jon Hewitt

Neither reading tells us exactly who these people are.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

That’s the problem. Everyone building AI? The earnest builders of AI? His colleagues? People he had lunch with? We’re being asked to take the belief seriously because of who holds it, and we haven’t established who fucking holds it.

Jon Hewitt

He’s invoking the authority of the builders.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Yes, but we need to know which builders before we can decide what their authority amounts to. “The people building AI” is a very large room to speak for.

Jon Hewitt

He also says, “This is not a marketing stunt.”

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Very reassuring. I hadn’t asked yet. Thoughtful of him to get ahead of it.

Jon Hewitt

You hear a pre-emptive defence.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Of course. Anthropic would never derive any promotional benefit from the suggestion that its technology is so powerful it might destroy the species. Nobody could possibly hear that and think, “Fuck me, they must be building something impressive.”

Jon Hewitt

The concern could be sincere and still serve that purpose.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Absolutely. I’m prepared to grant everyone their sincerity. It’s the most abundantly supplied component of the argument.

02

Old HaHu

Jon Hewitt

And someone inside Anthropic did confirm that he holds the belief. Evan Hubinger.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Close personal friend.

Jon Hewitt

Really?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Harbinger Hubinger, we used to call him. Old HaHu. HarbiHubi, if we’d had a few.

Jon Hewitt

HarbiHubi? And he answered to that?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

What do you think, Jon? What can I say? He’s a glass half empty kind of guy.

Jon Hewitt

You can’t leave me with “Harbinger Hubinger” and no explanation.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Never thought he’d get where he has, to be totally honest, since that first time he declared the end of the world after listening to “Zombie” by the Cranberries. Though admittedly we were all on acid at the time. Ha! College, Jon, what are you gonna do?

Jon Hewitt

Most people would have just turned the music down.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Always had that fatalist streak. As I said, good to see some people never change, even after all these years.

Jon Hewitt

The forecast survived. The explanation’s had an upgrade.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

At least back then he had the courtesy to blame the Cranberries instead of recursive self-improvement.

Jon Hewitt

And now there’s a percentage.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

That’s professional development, Jon.

Jon Hewitt

For the record, this college history is your account.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

And I’m expressing it earnestly.

“That’s professional development, Jon.”

Hunter Fitzpatrick
03

Linguistic judo

Jon Hewitt

Let’s return to what we can read. Hubinger writes: “Jacob is correct here—we really do earnestly believe AI could kill all humans!”

Hunter Fitzpatrick

There you are. Earnestness firmly attached to belief. “We really do earnestly believe.” No chance of it wandering back towards the building now.

Jon Hewitt

He removes the ambiguity you found in Coxon.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Exactly. Coxon gave me earnest builders; Hubinger supplies earnest believers. The Institute takes a close interest in what happens to a statement during transmission.

Jon Hewitt

Coxon’s talking broadly about the people building AI. He doesn’t say only Anthropic.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Exactly. Then Evan steps forward and says, “We really do earnestly believe.” And suddenly the room has an Anthropic sign over the door.

Jon Hewitt

The broad group gets a particular company’s face.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Yes. Now go back to my first reading: the people building AI earnestly. Who are you picturing?

Jon Hewitt

Anthropic.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

There you fucking go. Nobody said they were the only earnest builders. But they’ve volunteered to embody the earnestness.

Jon Hewitt

So the reply can colour how you remember the original sentence.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

That’s the linguistic judo, Jon. You start with a warning about an industry and come away with an impression of one company’s character.

Jon Hewitt

Even though the thing they’re sincerely telling you is that they might kill everyone.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

And yet somehow I’m learning how responsible they are. Extraordinary communications work.

Jon Hewitt

Then he says, “I personally think it is >10% within the next decade.”

Hunter Fitzpatrick

So we’ve moved from what an unspecified group believes to one person’s numerical estimate. We’ve established that Evan believes it. How do we establish the probability?

Jon Hewitt

He’s the alignment-science lead.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

That establishes where he works.

Jon Hewitt

And relevant expertise.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Certainly. A reason to ask him questions. Does it also answer them?

Jon Hewitt

What would you ask?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Well, he goes on to say they don’t have a plan to solve alignment for superintelligence and aren’t clearly on track to get one. He’s the alignment-science lead, Jon. He leads it. What does the leading consist of under those circumstances?

Jon Hewitt

Research into a problem they haven’t solved.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Fine. Then tell us how the estimate comes out of that research. What assumptions? What chain of events? What would make him revise it? We’ve got “I personally think” attached to the possible death of everyone. I’d like to see the working.

Jon Hewitt

Starting with what he means by superintelligence?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Please. Apparently it has definitions. Plural. Which fucking one has a greater than ten per cent chance of killing me?

Jon Hewitt

You want a definition stable enough to test the claim against.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Exactly. What system are we discussing? What can it do? How do we establish that it can do it? “Superintelligence” can’t do the work of an entire explanation.

Jon Hewitt

He does say Anthropic is trying its best.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Oh, well. Put that in the headline.

04

A research culture

Jon Hewitt

You seem particularly taken with his choice of words.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

What I really love about Anthropic is how they combine em dashes with claims of being earnest whilst making unsourced claims about human extinction followed by exclamation marks. It really says something about their character as a company.

Jon Hewitt

The exclamation mark has stayed with you.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

He’s announcing it as though we’ve won something. I don’t need him to sound more enthusiastic, Jon. I need him to finish the thought. You believe this. You lead the relevant science. You don’t have a plan. So tomorrow morning, what do you do?

Jon Hewitt

And what would count as a satisfactory source?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Something I can examine beyond his earnest personal assurance.

Jon Hewitt

Suppose the source is supplied in a reply—and it takes you to another X post.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

I fucking love that, Jon. That’s precisely the sort of research culture I’m looking for. At the Institute we’ve spent months building separate websites so we can cite each other. These people are doing it in the replies.

Jon Hewitt

A considerable saving on infrastructure.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

It’s really important for responsible AI safety companies to show leadership by maintaining a presence and publishing on platforms owned by trillionaires and dominated by the far right. It’s the most responsible information dissemination strategy I’ve seen since my time in sub-Saharan Africa working for Nestlé.

Jon Hewitt

What was your role there?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

The past is the past, Jon, and I didn’t sign that NDA for free.

Jon Hewitt

Let’s stay with research practices, then. Perhaps the Institute should investigate microdosing.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Microdosing! They’ve turned taking drugs into another fucking productivity target. You used to take something and lose an afternoon. Now you’re expected to come back with a better spreadsheet.

Jon Hewitt

A measurable return on the experience.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Even your altered state of consciousness has to justify its salary.

Jon Hewitt

What’s the Institute’s policy?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Strict macrodosing.

Jon Hewitt

Scheduled, or as required?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Whenever the peer review is looking particularly threatening.

Jon Hewitt

Does it change the findings?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

It changes our relationship with them. Secondary contextualisation.

“The past is the past, Jon, and I didn’t sign that NDA for free.”

Hunter Fitzpatrick
05

The end of the humanities

Jon Hewitt

That’s an existing Institute procedure?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Yes. Findings that don’t fit the framework receive further interpretation before entering the evidential record.

Jon Hewitt

And you’ve been applying it to these extinction forecasts?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

We’ve developed an extension. Informally, its working title is the Chinese Whispers approach.

Jon Hewitt

What does the extension add?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Another round.

Jon Hewitt

Take me through it.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

We begin with the people building AI and their unsettled relationship with earnestness. Then Evan confirms his own belief and supplies a percentage. In the reporting, killing all humans becomes the end of humanity. We apply further contextualisation and arrive at the end of the humanities.

Jon Hewitt

Humanity to humanities.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

A small textual adjustment with considerable scope for original research.

Jon Hewitt

The first paraphrase can preserve the meaning. Yours changes it.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

That’s our contribution, Jon. We can’t keep expecting Anthropic to do everything.

Jon Hewitt

And the resulting prediction?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

A 10% baseline probability of the end of the humanities by the end of 11 July 2029.

Jon Hewitt

You’ve kept the percentage.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

We felt it was important to preserve the scientific component.

Jon Hewitt

Reduced it slightly. His was greater than 10%.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Ours is a conservative baseline.

Jon Hewitt

You’ve also brought the deadline forward.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Coxon said the end of the decade. Hubinger said within the next decade. We’ve resolved that uncertainty by supplying a precise date.

Jon Hewitt

Why 11 July 2029?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

I felt “sometime” would undermine the rigour.

Jon Hewitt

What would the end of the humanities look like?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

People losing the ability to interpret language. To notice that a word can attach in two places. To ask who a statement refers to. To distinguish evidence that someone believes something from evidence that it will happen.

Jon Hewitt

There could still be humans.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Oh, certainly. The rich will continue to dwell in their underground sugar caves. I’m concerned about what else survives. Humanism. Values. The capacity to be good. To understand that other people exist even when they haven’t accepted your terms and conditions.

Jon Hewitt

Your protocol exploits the very failure you’re forecasting.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Which is why we’re taking it so seriously.

Jon Hewitt

You’re demonstrating how authority survives changes in meaning.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Look how much has changed in this conversation. The people, the proposition, the deadline. But we still have a percentage and a director willing to stand beside it.

Jon Hewitt

You.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

And you’re publishing it.

Jon Hewitt

As an interview.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

We’ll cite it as external coverage.

Jon Hewitt

So the Institute’s forecast acquires a NEPRAVDA reference.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

And NEPRAVDA acquires an expert forecast. We give back to those we owe, Jon.

Jon Hewitt

Does that make this a marketing stunt?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

I would have thought my earnestness had settled that.

“We felt it was important to preserve the scientific component.”

Hunter Fitzpatrick
06

A decision of principle

Jon Hewitt

Let’s return to the resignation. Whatever you think of the rhetoric, Coxon has acted on his concerns.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

I mean, really, Jon. This guy, this so-called AI safety “expert”—what a genuine misanthrope. I’m telling you right now: he’s going to regret this move. Who on earth would leave a job in the AI industry? Does he understand what an opportunity he’s throwing away?

Jon Hewitt

You’ve spent much of this interview questioning the company’s public claims. Now you’re appalled that he left.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

He had a job at Anthropic, Jon. He was already inside the building. Whatever his concerns were, he could have continued having them on a very good salary.

Jon Hewitt

Like your old friend HarbiHubi.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Exactly. Still there. Still concerned. You have to respect the consistency.

Jon Hewitt

You think Coxon will miss it?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

As I said: misanthrope. And he’s going to miss Anthropic for sure.

Jon Hewitt

Would you have stayed?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

I would have appreciated the opportunity.

Jon Hewitt

That sounds suspiciously like something from a covering letter.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

I take a close interest in their research culture. I have directly relevant experience in secondary contextualisation. I’m comfortable publishing findings whose supporting material is available somewhere else. And I know the Harbinger.

Jon Hewitt

You’re unusually well prepared for a man who came here to discuss the humanities.

Hunter Fitzpatrick

You have to think about your own future as well as everyone else’s.

Jon Hewitt

Before we finish, what should readers actually do with these warnings?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Read carefully. Follow the references. Ask whether the source supports the claim. Notice when someone moves from what other people believe to what you’re supposed to believe. And consider whether the person speaking might want something.

Jon Hewitt

I was coming to that. What do you want, Hunter?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

I’ve thought very seriously about my position. You can’t keep talking about values without eventually making a decision that affects your own life.

And that’s why today I’m announcing my resignation.

Jon Hewitt

From the Shit Science Institute?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Yes.

Jon Hewitt

Because of your concerns about the future of the humanities?

Hunter Fitzpatrick

Because apparently there’s an opening at Anthropic.

N.

Correction · 12 September 2026: An earlier version of this interview omitted a link to the SSICED paper accompanying Hunter Fitzpatrick’s account. The source material, The Death of the Humanities, is now linked here. The paper also cites this interview.

The public record

Original posts discussed in this interview.

Jacob Coxon’s resignation statement Evan Hubinger’s response